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By stinkwheel
#9061
Just something I'm pondering. After an article in one of the REOC magazines, I'm giving serious consideration to converting my 350 bullet to a slightly more offroad bias and throwing it at a couple of classic trials. The main thing (other than the clutch which has been covered in detail) is the standard TLS front brake.



I've got it working relatively well after years of fiddling but one thing it is absolutely hopeless for is working backwards to hold the bike on a steep hill. Now to the best of my knowledge, that's just a function of the type of brake rather than anything to do with its setup. When working backwards, it becomes a twin trailing shoe and tries to cam both shoes off the drum. So a borderline effective TLS becomes utterly useless when asked to work backwards. Such has been the case with any of the TLS bikes I've ridden in the past, even my Dads old kawasaki triple that could do stoppies but was incapable of holding itself on the front brake going up a bike ramp.



Normally this isn't an issue because you hold it on the rear brake but looking at some of the stop-start stations on classic trials, you pretty much need to put both feet down (or you'd need to at my skill level). Got me idly wondering if there was some way of converting it to a SLS front brake. If there was a plate I could retro-fit or even if I could so something as simple (or monumentally stupid?) as removing the brake link rod then fitting a slightly fatter block in place of the "slave" brake cam so the shoes pivot on that end and spread at the other, effectively converting the TLS to SLS.



Yes, the ultimate solution would be to retro-fit a disc but if I was into an easy life, I'd buy a Yamaha TT225 and use that.
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By Wheaters
#81087
As an off-roader myself I understand your concern and I've posted here before about the lack of reverse braking power of a TLS brake.

However, I'd never modify one to make it less efficient going forwards; I think you'd be on very tricky ground, so to speak, if you had an accident involving others.

I think you would be better off fitting a SLS wheel to the bike.

I had similar concerns about my trials car, which used TLS Leyland Mini drum brakes on the front axle. It was very scary indeed having to reverse down a rocky or muddy hill section after failing to climb it. I designed and retro-fitted a disc brake setup for it (Triumph Spitfire discs and 1970s Triumph Bonneville racing calipers), which work equally well in both directions. BTW, if you take a bike off-road and fail to climb the hill, it's usually better to swing the bike round and go back down it in a forwards direction, so you don't really need to lock the front wheel up because it will then slide anyway. Been there, done that, locked up the front wheel and fell off, to rounds of cheers...
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By stinkwheel
#81089
An object lesson on why you should never buy ex-army vehicles. Ham fisted REME mechanics who are more used to tanks doing the servicing notwithstanding.



It was watching this video of Bamford Clough that got me thinking about the front brake. Especially if I stalled and had to kickstart it.



https://youtu.be/VMG1-la_52c
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By Wheaters
#81096
"It was watching this video of Bamford Clough that got me thinking about the front brake."
Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately, depending how you look at it), none of us will be going up Bamford Clough anytime soon.
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By Adrian
#81129
That would certainly do. Hopefully it's just a case of swapping the brake plate assembly over once you have had the shoes re-lined. I'm assuming the old ones will be no good, but you never know.



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