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By stinkwheel
#73339
As above. I use bog standard car oil in my VFR750. A liquid cooled, V4, DOHC, unit construction sports bike with gear driven cams producing 100bhp and redlining at 12,000rpm. I ride it hard, bouncing it off the redline and sitting at three figure speeds for sustained periods. I change the oil every 9,000 miles. Specifically, I use halfords own brand 10w-40 semi synthetic oil since castrol GTX started getting more expensive and harder to come by in the correct viscosity. It doesn't have rockers and it's certainly been a while since I moved the splines round on the front brake...



There is a lot of sales hype about motorcycle oils and I'm convinced it's a scam. While yes, there are many different types of engine oil, for the purposes of the vast majority of motorcycle engines, it really doesn't matter as long as the viscosity is in the right ballpark.



From years of experience, I think the talk about friction modifiers damaging clutches is pretty much hearsay. Be interested in anyone who has directly experienced it? I've had a slipping clutch once when I topped up a bike with GTX magnatech but on further investigation, the friction plates were well below their service limit, the oil change just highlighted an already worn clutch.



The only oil I'd see as having significant benefits over their competition is the zero grade mobil 1. In extreme temperatures, this stuffs viscosity performance is amazing but will we see those temperature extremes? It should allow you to double the service interval. However, that's not getting rid of particulate matter so would you want to take a risk on a blocked filter?



Interestingly the XBR500 manual specifies 10w-40, API SG. I can pretty much garauntee you wont find oil with that low a spec. unless it's new old stock. A "New" bullet is probably getting close to the degree of mechanical sophistication of a 70's japanese bike.

By Alan R
#73340
Hi Guys----------I once tried that idea of moving the front brake spline...BAD IDEA...it was a disc brake !!LoL !!......Hi stinkwheel}--- Have you actually got an XBR500 manual then?? ( or access to one ?? ) as I haven't .... (hence me quoting from David Silvers site) .... and could certainly do with one..
By Alan R
#73342
Sorry, forgot to say}-----I wonder what oil RE are specifying for the new 650 twin ??...Like my XBR500 it also has an overhead cam and rockers...Back in the 1960's ( When I was more mechanically ignorant than I am now---) I inadvertently put a High Detergent oil in my mate's Vauxhall Cresta.......Boy, did that thing RATTLE !! ...... and so did I when he got hold of me !!
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By stinkwheel
#73345
I don't have an XBR manual, I found a website with the specs listed. I suspected it would be SG because any other bikes I've had from that era specirfied the same (eg a GPZ500)



Yes, sticking high detergent oil in an older vehicle that hasn't had it before is a recipe for disaster. The classic was when people stole oil from the army and put it in theri banger. It scoured every bit of carbon from the engine and they'd land up smoking and clattering like a bag of spanners.



Again though, not really anything to do with the oil itself. The engine was already worn, the detergent just made this apparent.
By Alan R
#73354
Hi Guys------ This might help calm us all down a bit as Connie Francis sings}---- "Oil be with you in Apple Blossom time"
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By Leon Novello
#73357
Ogri: Probably the oily mess they have to clean up under the bike every day. The missus doesn`t approve of the motorcycle dripping oil on the carpet in the lounge room either.
By Jack the Lad
#73358
My EFI Bullet is still going strong at 31,000 miles using the manufacturer spec oil, changed no more frequently than the recommended 3750 mile intervals. No clutch or engine problems yet.
It may or may not have been the same on cheaper car oil, but it's only a couple of litres a time, so why take the risk for such a trivial cost saving.
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By Presto
#73359
Orgi I don’t think it’s only Bullet owners who ask questions and get excited about oil. Most owners, of whatever machines, have a vested interest in using the ‘right’ grade/type. What I’ve never understood is why anyone would choose to ignore the manufacture’s recommendations! After all, who has more interest in the durability, reliability and consistent function of the engine than the makers? Also it’s a fair bet having designed the motor they will have a better idea than most of us which oil will be ‘right’ for their products. However, some aspects of an oil’s specification are more important than others, some will depend on the way we ride our bikes, where we ride, on the depth of our pockets, and our personal attachment to this or that oil producer. Anyway it’s always a favourite on this forum – and long may it continue!

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