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By Rattlebattle
#72451
I find it ironic that a CGT owner, whose bike produces about 54bhp/litre feels that the 72bhp/litre 650 twin is underpowered....Yes, it is, but pots and kettles, don't you think.... The current 900 Triumph twins produce 60 bhp/litre, one of the reasons ~I bought one of the last of the old Thruxtons (77bhp/litre). FWIW I had a long chat with one of the RE reps at the show. I specifically asked about whether or not there were any plans to produce a more powerful version. He told me that there are. Having looked at the cutaway engine it seems to me that the bores of the throttle bodies are quite small. If there is enough room in the head to take larger inlet valves I would imagine that it would be relatively easy to open up the inlet tracts to pass more fuel and get a decent power increase. As for build quality it looked pretty good to me for the base price of£5.5k he told they would retail at in June next year, when we should get them here. Whilst it's no Honda it looks way better than any of the pre Euro IV UCE singles, including my own 2015. They really have moved on this year and have dropped the notion of hand building, the bikes now being built on a state-of-the-art production line that impressed Alan Cathcart when he visited it.The Himalayans at the show looked good too. I feel that the twins are much better than I thought they'd be, being about the size of a sixties Triumph rather than the overblown size of current Triumph twins. If they increased the power to 55-60bhp they'd be pretty good I reckon. I like the fact that they have screw and locknut valve adjustment. The rep didn't know what make the EFI hardware is, but to me it looks reasonable, having the two bodies forming part of a single manifold. I would imagine access is better than that on the singles. I note also that it is not RBW, not unreasonable given the price point. Whilst I won't be rushing to buy one initially, if RE do indeed produce a pokier version I might be tempted as long as it isn't a bigger, heavier model. The rep confirmed what I'd read, namely that they won't go bigger than 800cc. It's a shame the Norton 650 turned out to be vapourware; it would have been nice to have made a comparison.
By Andy M
#72488
I think I'd pay the extra 2 grand and get another Guzzi V7. Same performance but valves you can adjust with the tank on and tubeless tyres. Build quality on the metal bits was way superior, the electrics about the same.

I don't get why they've removed features like the kit start and hydraulic tappets that differentiate the Bullet from MASH, SWM, Herald etc. Direct comparison 535GT to Thruxton they will always come off second best except where the Indian tax man saves them. The Indians want Transformer toy shaped snot green road missiles and real Harleys, so also unlikely to rush to buy.

Andy
By Smudger
#72489
Each to there own rattle battle but I wasn't suggesting that my CGT single wasn't under powered at 29bhp, what I was saying is that I expected more than the stated 47bhp from a 650 twin!!!!!
Switch gear still poor, bike looks ugly and bulky (just my opinion) still single disc brake too. Separate reps on separate visits to the show told me that the price would be between £6-£6500. All I was saying was, if I had this kind of money to spend on another bike, the 650 twin wouldn't be on my shopping list. Just my opinion though!
By Andy M
#72491
Twin discs are just a silly race fashion that increase running costs. As a brake engineer of 25 years I'd like them to explain why they'd want to double the number of pads when they are fitting ABS to get one disc in control. Race fashion will no doubt dictate cheese grater holes to soften pad life as well? The road is not the track. Andy
By Rattlebattle
#72493
Smudged, I was making the point that, size for size, the Interceptor is more powerful than the l/c Triumph and the CGT even if it is weedy. I won,'t be rushing to trade in my full fat (relatively speaking) Thruxton either unless or until they produce an RE twin with more poke. I don't want an A2 licence bike. In any event I'd never buy a new model of anything, least of all an RE.
By ric
#72520
With the development of the after market camshaft and a few other fairly cheap after market goodies, the 270* crank 900 Triumph engine can produce just over 70BHP at the rear wheel - which does throw the RE/Triumph comparison ball a little bit further out of the park...
By Tomshayes
#72530
Twins.. I'll stick with my old Meteor... I only bimble about anyway..

Got the Bullet to play around with etc..

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