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[Rattlebattle]

I owned a BMW R1100RS and R850GS for many years. I don't think you'll get an RE to compare favourably with the handling and roadholding of your R1100R, though they're OK at sensible cruising speeds. As for the ABS; it hardly ever cut in on my Beemers. Mostly it was just a PITA with the infamous low battery fault. No great loss. I really like the Avon Roadriders on my C5. They get warm and sticky really quickly and perform well in the wet and the dry. I do wonder how long they'll last because they seem to have a softish compound. At the mileage I do on the C5 (not my only/main bike) that is immaterial to me anyway. I find it slightly odd that they are tubeless tyres fitted with tubes. This used to be done as a last resort when the rim leaked, often through corrosion. Certainly they are likely to be a whole lot harder to fit than they would be if they were tubed tyres. However, the bike came fitted with them from new, so it must be acceptable, one assumes. Not sure why they couldn't fit tubed tyres though...

[Rattlebattle]

Forgot to add: my Triumph Thruxton also came fitted with tubeless tyres with tubes in. I wonder why this seems to be the norm these days? It's not as if one can't buy tubed tyres in these sizes.

[AndyMc]

I don't think anything would compare to my old RT however i will be using the ennie for summer Pottering rather than 20k a year commuting. Tubes in tubeeless tyres used to be considered a no no hence the question.
Sticky sounds good. I'm a bit worried about punctured though and ease of repair in the middle of nowhere.

[Paulk]

Hi there, "Tubes in tubeeless tyres used to be considered a no no" - where did you read that? http://www.motorcyclenews.com/new-rider ... ss-tyres-/

[papasmurf]

From that article:- "When you change to a different make of tyre from the original equipment run them at the tyre firms’ recommended pressures, not the bike maker's."

[Rattlebattle]

I think the advice re tubes in tubeless tyres goes a lot further back than 2010 to the days when tubeless tyres were a novelty. There was a view that the inner surface of the tubeless tyre could damage a tube. Certainly one used to be able to buy tubeless and tubes versions of the same tyre. Given the comparative difficulty in removing and refitting a tubeless tyre, especially to alloy spoked rims with deep wells like Akronts, I would much prefer to have a tubed tyre. I would have enough difficulty changing a tubeless tyre in my garage; doing so at the roadside is a non-starter for me despite knowing the technique. BMW came up with the answer years ago with their solution of repositioning the spokes to allow tubeless tyres on spoked rims. The patent must have run out by now as at least one other manufacturer (Moto Guzzi) uses the same design. I don't know why it is not the norm.

[Paulk]

Agreed - however the sweeping statement that all tubes in tubeless is a no no (used to be or otherwise) gives the wrong impression, there are many circumstances where it is OK.

[AndyMc]

I was given the advice by a tyre fitting company. It used to be common practice to fit tubes to tubeless tyres if you had had a puncture. The advice i received was that it was more likely to suffer a rapid deflation(blow out) than just having a tubeless tyre. This was on rims suitable for tubeless types though. I am also aware (from bitter experience) that tyre sealant doesn't work and it is far more difficult to do a roadside puncture repair.

[AndyMc]

http://www.avonmotorsport.com/resource- ... be-fitment
May indicate that my sweeping statement/question was correct

[Rattlebattle]

So, it is permissible with certain, common sense, provisos. Interesting that Avon feels it's a definite no-no to use tubeless tyres on spoked rims by sealing the spoke holes with gloop or whatever. I know a lot of Americans seem to do this on their Hinckley Triumphs. Not something I fancy. BTW I've never had any luck with any form of tyre gloop either preventing deflation or inflating flat tyres, either tubed or tubeless. I long since gave up on it.