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By RayBeech
#59066
I am afraid that is the way it is on here sometimes Vil, the original question is soon forgotten hope my answer was of some help.
By Thack
#59074
Sorry, jefrs, but your terminology is slightly off.



"MAP" stands for Manifold Absolute Pressure (and always has). None of them "draw lots of current". Nor are they binary devices, boxerman.



They (at least the ones on our Bullets) provide an analogue output signal which indicates the absolute pressure at that instant. They are called "absolute pressure" because they report the pressure in relation to a vacuum. ("Gauge pressure" is the term for reporting pressure in relation to atmospheric.)



Absolute pressure measurements are important in this role because the sensor can measure the barometric pressure (which it does at the instant of switch-on) as well as the instantaneous manifold pressure whilst the engine is running. The barometric pressure reading is used by the ECU to compensate (primarily) for changes in ambient air pressure at high altitudes - a major requirement that Royal Enfield placed upon Keihin for this system).



So, one sensor does two jobs: it determines barometric pressure at start-up, and also the instantaneous manifold pressure as the engine is running.



MAF stands for Mass Air Flow, and is a totally different beast. Very rarely found on motorcycles for reasons we can discuss if you wish, they measure the mass of air being drawn into the engine. Two types - the hot wire and the hot plate - do draw a lot of current. They use electrical current to warm up a piece of wire (or a plate) placed in the airflow, and then detect the cooling effect of the air flowing past the wire by measuring changes in its electrical resistance. The cooling effect is roughly proportional to the mass of the air flowing past them. Most conductors change their electrical resistance with temperature, so you get a very simple and robust device, with no moving parts, which detects the mass of air flowing into the engine.



From this you can calculate the mass of fuel required and thus inject just the right amount for the desired air:fuel ratio.



I hope that clears up any confusion.
By Thack
#59075
vill98: Who the hell do you think you are telling us to "shut up"?



Nobody made you the forum policeman. If we want to chat about fuel injection and sensors and the like, we will. If you don't like it, stop reading or p*** off.
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By Boxerman
#59076
I stand corrected.
I was going by the info given in car manuals where they say it should read this voltage at closed throttle and that voltage at full throttle, but don't give any intermediate readings. Unlike testing a TPS where you are given a resistance reading for idle, quarter throttle etc...
I see from your explanation why this is.
Thanks for the enlightenment
Frank
By vill98
#59078
Listen thack is wanted to know it the carb conversion works ok and I did not ask for all the shit associated with it and from what I have seen of this forum there are more prats on it than help full people as I experienced when asking about regestering my Enfield I have Imported and got (oh you won't be able to do it) well I have had very little trouble so far so I say again thack shut up!!
By Hitchcocks Motorcycles
#59079
Guys, please keep it polite and let's not get personal.
By Thack
#59080
Thanks, Moderator, for the warning.



vill98: In all politeness I will simply repeat - nobody has made you forum policeman so you have no right to tell anyone to shut up. The only one who can do that is our forum Moderator.



This forum frequently drifts off-topic, just as do conversations down the pub or wherever you get a bunch of friends who can't wait to enthuse about their latest discoveries. It's just how it goes between humans. So relax - you got what you wanted from the thread.
By Dennis C
#59081
Personally I find this thread quite interesting, as usual you have to sort the wheat from the chaff, and decide who is talking sense and who isn't but that is part of the fun. Please keep it polite but don't shut up as this is how we learn things (by lightening to others).
By vill98
#59085
Stuff the lot thought the forum might be better but is just as bad as the reoc I attended 3rallys at that was 3 to many after Bering in other clubs for years I think the reoc is the worst I have ever been in 😠😠

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