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[Scalyback]

Bigger oil?



No, what thet have been doing wrong here is using expanding oil. there is always more inside than you can get in and out!

But seriously, the sight level is ok, but the bike must be on dead level ground. I found with my EFI, That when checking for the first time, it was best to check the glass, turn the bike 180 degrees and check again. An efi makes an excellent spirit (or oil) level.

[nigelphoto]

papasmurf "When it comes to engineering, part of my apprenticeship was working in a foundry. I don't care what certification Chenai has, people on this forum have had more than enough problems showing casting accuracy/quality is somewhat variable."

Unfortunately the nature of the beast is that on a forum 'opinions' are often expressed as 'facts'. ISO9001 demonstrates that the management systems for quality control are in place; Gordon May's book 'Made in India' gives ample evidence that the systems are being operated correctly, as indeed does anything more than a cursory inspection of the EFI. There are weak points in Bullet manufacture but these affect cycle parts such as the electrics (birds nest wiring and sub standard connectors) and the chrome which is unconscionably bad on some components (silencer, brake pedal etc). If the oilways between the various chambers were somehow misaligned or otherwise closed off, then any engine would blow itself to buggery in fairly short order. I have a lot sympathy for the first poster of this thread, nicklov who must by now be thoroughly discombobulated by all this internecine strife over a very simple task - how to check the oil level! So nicklov the simple answer to your question is drain out the oil, measure it and then either paint it on your garden fence or put it down the drain (only joking, we ALWAYS take our waste oil to the proper environmentally friendly disposal point - don't we?) put back in the amount that came out (about 2 litres ish) and then go away and have lunch, supper and breakfast and then check the sight glass. As long as its on level ground it'll be right. Simples.

[jefrs]

rattlebattle - the insertion of 0.25 litre through the lhs crank hole was from the workshop manual (2009?). It does say initial filling and I strongly suspect this means filling of the engine from new or rebuild as the manual then proceeds to contradict itself. The workshop manual has a number of such errors and omissions. Ambiguous procedures would not meet ISO17025

Checking the level is done warm but filling to the level is done cold, so I suspect they're different levels.

Oil is viscous and will cling to oil ways, clutch, gears, bearings and casings so some will always remain in the engine after draining.

[papasmurf]

nigelphoto, you may believe assurances about compliance certification, I am afraid I don't.
NOT related to Enfield's but I actually won a tribunal that involved compliance certification, the result was the then benefits agency got shot down in flames and my ex-employer lost all their military contracts.

[jefrs]

It may look like birds nest wiring but I can Assure you it's not - it's a proper mare's nest.

[Rattlebattle]

Jefrs, yes it's the 2009 w/s manual I have. As you say, it doesn't cover my model exactly, but in the absence of a more current one it does provide info that isn't in the owners handbook. BTW my new C5 came with a handbook dated 2009 and therefore covers the original model also. Not a big thing really as I've owned enough bikes over the last 47 years to learn not to obsess over things like oil levels and torque settings, at least in non-critical areas. Re ISO 9001 if RE do indeed have proper accreditation and take it seriously then I hope that the Quality Manager there will deal with whatever non-conformity it was in their quality system that allowed my bike to be delivered with a wire guard on the exhaust heat shield that meant, as delivered, the kickstart could not be operated because it clouted said wire guard....Oh and the fact that one of the two rattle cans contains blue paint, whereas my bike is actually two shades of green. I really don't mind this because I knew what I was buying into and don't mind a bit of fettling; just don't anyone try to kid me that RE quality control is good. It's only relatively good to what it used to be, ISO 9001 or not.

[jefrs]

Rattlebattle - ISO9001 is a management system, it's a rubber stamp that's got little or nothing to do with the product. I had a contributory hand in writing ISO17025 and ISO8769, so you're defo preaching to the choir.

[Rattlebattle]

Perhaps, but having played a major part in gaining, managing, auditing and finally ditching ISO9001 I do know what it is!

[jefrs]

Ok, so having checked the floor of the shed with the big spirit level as dead level X&Y like a billiards table covered in tread plate, I've apparently now got more oil than was put in. Following 'the procedure', the sight glass is full to a tiny bubble at the very top where once it was between the marks. A Royal Oilfield is supposed to lose oil onto the floor. Go figure.