Forum

[papasmurf]

I was asking for a link to the official government legal statement on it, NOT magazine or press comment.
I have as yet not been able to find it.

[Thunderdird 2]

Papasmurf, at-least 2 different Triumph forums, and another R.E. forum, as in '2016 bikes' or similar.

[2cvandy]

jefrs "Big heavy cruiser bikes don't actually stop very well whatever they're fitted with." Sorry, but I have to beg to differ. Mainly because I don't like such sweeping generalisations, usually when I hear this kind of thing it's from people with limited or no experience of the genre. There are so many different "big cruiser bikes" these days that I wouldn't profess to know how good the brakes are on most of them, because I haven't ridden them all. But having bought my first Harley in 1989 and owned one ever since I can honestly say that I've never once had a problem stopping, and yes I do actually ride the things, they're not ornaments. I can get both front and back tyres to squeal with application of the standard brakes, surely any more and they'd lock? No ABS you see. Obviously more weight takes more stopping, but to say they don't stop very well is just inaccurate, compared to what? A cross channel ferry? I'm not seeing a rash of big heavy cruisers buried in walls on my travels so I'm assuming everyone else can stop em too.

[papasmurf]

Thunderbird 2 I am NOT interested in what is being said on forums. What I CANNOT find is evidence of anything other than Automatic Headlights On being enacted on January 1st 2016.
I can find nothing similar to this:-

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... y-2016.pdf

[jefrs]

Paul M H - the link works fine from Firefox. So, the brakes have to be linked .or. ABS. ABS is reasonably simple from hydraulic discs but not drums. I dislike linked brakes because there are condition where one might want to drag the rear but but /not/ apply the front at all or it will have you off, like downhill on loose wet gravel or ice; on a bike the brakes are not only used for slowing it. Only problem with ABS is you can't deliberately lock a wheel, otoh I've driven on ABS for what, 20+ years without an issue. ABS does mean some electronics but the technology is well developed, not too dear; most cars allow it to be turned off.

Imo Nanny has gone mad and needs to be bricked up in the attic.

Euro 4 (and Euro 5 in 2020) should not be insurmountable for RE as they already meet California regs.

[jefrs]

Sorry 2cvandy but I do have mates with HDs and have ridden them often enough. HD have had ABS since 2008 and their 'Reflex' system is linked braking. Fun but I guess I dislike the handling of heavy cruisers. Yes it is mainly their weight. Dynamic energy of a moving object, E = 1/2.m.v^2 where m is mass and v is velocity. Then there is contact patch which is weight applied to wheel divided by tyre pressure, the more square inches result the better. It's not the brakes, it's the mass, a heavy car can slam to a halt because it doesn't fall over when going sideways. ABS is going to release the brake when it loses grip (good) but you still need road friction to decelerate the mass; do notice the velocity-squared function. This is what determines braking distance.

[Les]

My Kawasaki ER6f has ABS and I have never had any problems or issues with it ( it is not linked ) if I ever get another bike which is unlikely and ABS was an option I would not hesitate to go for it

[Paul M H]

Ok you want the original doc you will not find it on our gov web site its European Rules as usual we have to follow suite. Here is the Euro doc heavy reading though.
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/ ... 32013R0168

[papasmurf]

Paul MH, if the UK government has not issued an official notice to dealers it is NOT official in the UK.
That is precisely why I asked for a link to just such a document.
I have spent a lot of time trying to find one on the government website. ALL I can find is notice to dealers about Automatic Headlights On from January 2016.

If no notice to dealers has been issued it will NOT be UK law.

[Beezabryan]

As suspected, a succsseful media wind up.
I read somewhere that the Earth is flat