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[Thunderdird 2]

So, as I read it all new 125cc+ bikes sold from 1st Jan 2016 will have to have ABS and a linked disc front and back, 1st question, any one seen any yet?
2nd question,will the old stock be pr-registered as 1 owner (dealer) like they did with the remaining cast iron bullets?
3rd question, any one have any prices for the 2016?
Not a hard task for the likes of Honda etc as most of them have already done it on many models or easily to do, but how will this effect the likes of R.E.?
Terry

[PeteF]

Not quite as I read it TB2
Looks like 125 and over will need ABS.
Under 125 will need either ABS or a linked system.
No mention of disks being obligatory but it would be difficult to comply any other way.
Other changes deal with OBD which will have to come in line with car systems (so will have the same socket?) and emissions.
The rules vary depending on performance, but for most full-size bikes carbon monoxide emissions, currently limited to 2.0g/km (grams per kilometre), drop to a maximum of 1.14g/km, while hydrocarbon limits drop from 0.3g/km to 0.17g/km and NOx falls from 0.15g/km to 0.09g/km.

[jefrs]

The mind boggles. Yet again we get rules written by nannies who haven't a clue how bikes work. The front does the stopping, the back is for balancing the bike up. ABS may be a good thing but as anyone ridden a bike with linked brakes? You can't feather the rear whilst hauling on the front, more than a bit of a fail!



HD have this kind of system. Above 70mph the brakes do little or nothing to stop the bike; lorries are a bit like that too.

[Thunderdird 2]

But where are the R.E's??
With what, 34 days to go and no sign of one, are we all to buy 'second hand' pre-reg at discounted prices?
Are Enfield India capable of making all the changes, let alone in time?

[Scalyback]

It's getting ridiculous and also a tad dangerous. Why don't they just shortcut the rest of the next 5 years of rules and red tape and just simplify the whole situation...



Government bike instructor, "Do you want to ride a bike?

Potential biker, "Yes please"

Government bike instructor just pushes you under a passing lorry, moves on to next applicant.

(Repeat until queue has gone.)



wait until we get the bloody stabiliser wheels I had on my bicycle as a four year old.

[Scalyback]

AND... How much is it going to cost them in a year or two's time, having a/l the new bikes converted back to stop the (by then) rocketing accident rate due to bikes skidding out the back wheel in the wet?

RANT!!!

[2cvandy]

jefrs Subject: 2016 bikes.
"The mind boggles. Yet again we get rules written by nannies who haven't a clue how bikes work. The front does the stopping, the back is for balancing the bike up. ABS may be a good thing but as anyone ridden a bike with linked brakes? You can't feather the rear whilst hauling on the front, more than a bit of a fail!

HD have this kind of system. Above 70mph the brakes do little or nothing to stop the bike; lorries are a bit like that too." Sorry? I'm not sure I understand that last comment, why would the bakes do little above 70mph? Please explain, I'm confused. As for the rest, I guess ABS will help some folks avoid a spill, but equally it will also stop new riders developing essential skills, God help em if they decide to switch to an older bike without it. and linked brakes? Well I did run a Guzzi Califirnia fir 3 years with linked brakes and found it excellent. I never had a problem feathering the brake into a turn, and with one front disc operated by the foot pedal you could put some real effort into stopping it quickly. Never locked up either, despite having no ABS. Am I the only one who thinks that if we taught filks to ride and drive properly we wouldn't actually need all these so called safety aids?

[2cvandy]

I really should stop trying to type in a dimly lit room, them maybe I could see when I'm hitting i instead of o !!

[apparently lucky eddie]

I've found a beautifully simple answer to this. Don't buy a new bike. You'll pay 20% Vodka and Tonic and lose maybe up to a 1/4 of the value when you ride away from the dealer. Plus higher insurance, road tax, first year tax etc. And is it really any more fun than the bike you were riding back in the day? There's so many superb older/used bikes, Brits, Jappers and Eyeties to try with silly cheap insurance, no road tax and even no MOT requirement that I can't see myself ever buying another new bike.

[Lennie]

Moto Guzzi have used linked brakes to very good effect for donkeys years. I have ridden a few and the brakes work really well, I've never read anything by Guzzi riders suggesting them to be dangerous or lead to loss of control during braking. TBH I'm surprised that this has not been adopted by other manufacturers. As far as ABS and other nanny type controls are concerned, this type of "progress" is unavoidable. It seems that bikes are now too fast, or people not trained properly (or too daft) to be able to ride them safely. During high season we regularly hear of people being killed on motorcycles, sometimes through no fault of their own and sometimes by inappropriate use of the machine. Governments seem to be doing their utmost to deter people from becoming motorcyclists, by making it too expensive to consider as an alternative form of transport. For many of us (on this forum) motorcycles are a form of transport, but for most they are a luxury item and as such we have to pay accordingly.