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[Scalyback]

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Redditch centre stand wear.

This is one side on Kevin;s centre stand. both side are the same,with a groove worn in them, allowing the stand to 'go over the top' too far and not doing it's job. Its also very hard to get the bike off again, and the 17 inch wheels don't help as the bike is an inch nearer the ground!












It look like someone has already filled in the damage once, but it has worn again. Is it practice to cut some steel tube and fix over the alloy projections guys? Has anybody tried this? It would also lift the back wheel up slightly higher too!

A short bit of steel or stainless steel 'pipe' each side with a connecting strip between them, stop it all coming off! I am tempted to experiment...







The shiny bit of metal is where the stand rests on the engine bracket when in use. I don't know if it had 'chisel headed' itself fatter, or has been modified, didn't think to look at that area.






The bracket that came with the kit, with a lot more meat on it. I have not checked if it is compatible with a Redditch stand yet.




If bits can be swapped, then my choices are...



1) install the complete Indian type centre stand kit from our hosts.

2)Install only the Indian type engine brackets which have a much wider surface for the stand stop.

3)Try a steel sleeving mod for the redditch stand and use either the original or the wider Indian brackets.




SO... Could the engineers among us please have a quick think wether a simple mod could save and even improve our redditch stands? I'll wait a few days and see what comes up. Thanks guys!

[Adrian]

Scaly,



when I put my Connie/AVL hybrid together the original Redditch gearbox rear plates were much in the same state as Kevin's, I got a good used Indian centre stand with pivot, plates and springs (effectively what's in the kit you just bought from our hosts), and after the experience of my '57 Bullet's Redditch stand compared to the Electra-X I had no hesitation in fitting the complete Indian assembly, which has proved to be a very good and easy to use stand.



So junk - sorry, remove and carefully store - the knackered original bits and just fit the whole Indian kit.



The only proviso I would make is to be careful about the stand grounding when cornering enthusiastically. As you point out, Kevin's only on 17" wheels which puts everything 1" nearer to the deck. If you have to go back to the Redditch stand, a steel or bronze bush in the re=repaired original stand (any room for grease nipples?) might work depending on how much metal there is in the casting, but I would try the full Indian first.



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[Scalyback]

The original stand has a grease nipple at ead end, just visible in second pic, on the left end of the nut at the top of the pic. it put grease into the ends of the shaft/pivot thing.
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the stand shaft and pivots are fine, it the "end stop" that has worn this stops the stand when in the correct position, where as now it keep rotating too far. almost swinging up towards the front of the bike!



Thanks Adrian, I will take a long look at it. also being nearer to the ground, it makes it very hard to get the bike on the stand, as you almost have to lift it up that extra inch, until it feels normal ( and that's not light!)

[Mark M]

Scaly, I'm sure someone posted a modification to the original stand a while back. If I recall it involved cutting some short sections off a 7/8" handlebar, sliding them over the tubular alloy "stops" of the original stand and drilling and tapping for fine screws to hold in place.

REgards, Mark

[neddy]

If you modify the stand to stop wear, this would not cause wear on a more expensive component would it ?

[Scalyback]

Well, it butts up against the rear engine plate bracket. there should be no rubbing really, the stand just hits it as an endstop (like a door stop) but I guess on a bike that's 56 years old, it has got a little worn. But thanks for pointing it out, the stand pivot might be worn, and that would lead to rubbing between the stop and the engine bracket, will check that out!

I really need to check the differences between the redditch and Indian bracket designs, but am hopeful of a modification to the Redditch bracket.

Should have some time to try in a few days.

[papasmurf]

It looks like case where rubber buffers would be of help.

http://www.gmt-rubber.com/products/buffers.php

[vince]

Hi, With all that grinding paste around your'll probably find that the pivot holes in the engine plates are now oval as well. If you fit an india stand bear in mind that the meteor minor had a shorter stand to match the wheel size, It may take the strength of hercules to operate.

[Adrian]

Vince,



what makes the Indian stand a joy to use is the protrusion welded onto the left-hand side with the little foot pad on top. Holding the bike upright from the left-hand side, all I have to do is push down onto this with my right foot, putting plenty of weight onto this means I need very little effort on the handlebars to roll the bike back onto the stand. I don't know if Scaly eats enough pies for it to work for him, but it sure works for me! That's with an 18" back wheel, 100/90 tyre, I suspect it would work just as well with a 17" back wheel. The strength of Hercules would have been welcome with my '57 Bullet (with 19" wheels).



The only fly in this ointment for twin owners is that you can't use this on a twin cylinder bike with separate exhaust pipes, which I think our host's description makes clear. As Kevin has a 2 into 1 exhaust this won't be a problem.

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A.

[Scalyback]

Not quite, with wheels it's the smaller they are, the harder theyt stand!



With 19 inch wheels, the stand will drop further making it more towards 90 degree to the ground before you begin to pull the bike onto it, where as with 17 inch wheels, the stand is more towards 45-55 degree, and you are pulling more up than back to get the bike on, and it's very much harder.



I have to stand behind Kevin, put a long leg forward to hold the stand down, and pull up on both sides of the rear mudguard frame, whereas Tornado, my 500 bullet can be almost flicked onto his centre stand.