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[Scalyback]

Tornado has a boyer system, and runs very well



They say 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it'

they also said 'why increase the lifeboats if it's unsinkable.'



My mate Pete always said the former, and ran his bike into the ground through lack of adjustment and maintenance.



Confusing-us say, "It is not what the saying said, but how it is interpreted that matters."

[Scalyback]

If you start to experience problems, or you are not very experienced with points and things, then fit the boyer.

If you are good with points, capacitor and feeler gauge then maintain the original.



Totally up to you, but as said by others, points need maintaining and parts are cheap and can be changed at the roadside,

Boyer should be trouble free, but will disable Bertie if it does go wrong, stranding you.



I am happy with the boyer system.

[Mark M]

Scaly, the Titanic actually had MORE lifeboats than Board of Trade regulations required at the time. After the disaster they altered the rules to one boat place per passenger. So to keep up with your analogy maybe keep a spare Boyer box in the toolbox?!!
REgards, Mark

[Barry N]

Thanks Bob - that's impressive! Finally, what static timing are you using (non-advanced, in distance BTDC) and what does that translate to in degrees? And have you (or any other user of the kit) any idea of how much full-advance your digital gives? Thanks.

[Scalyback]

never thought of that!



There should be room in the LH toolbox for a spare boyer, just change the wires over YAY!



Thanks Mark!

[Beezabryan]

Regular routine maintenance is not the same as fixing things that are not broken but you know that scaly, don't you?

[Scalyback]

Fixing something that isn't broken isn't the same as upgrading something for a newer part either in my book.

[Scalyback]

I meant to say (rather more politely than I did, sorry), that it is generally good to leave a working system as it is, but if you do want to change something, then go ahead and try it.



As long as it doesn't damage the bike then fine. this is how things developed in the first place. Not to say I don't like authenticity. I have restored a whole range of things, sometimes even making cloth covering for wiring if I could not get the original, or other seemingly over the top practices, restoring bit of equipment that would never usually been seen by anybody, just so that I knew it was correct. But for an Indian bullet, I don't see the change from points to electronic as unoriginal, just as changing to a lithium-ion battery and the lamps to led for better visibility seems more sensible to me. But there again, I did just change a neolite headlamp for a BPF as it looked more in keeping with the bike's image.



Even more unexpected, I am now wondering about swapping my boyer out for the original points and bits which came with Tornado, just to see how he performs. May try that in the summer.



Happy new year.

[Bertie the Bullet]

Thanks all, still not convinced either way as to many divided opinions here! what i do remember was that many years ago my dad fitted electronic ignition to his Morris Marina but also kept a spare distributer plate complete with points and condenser already setup just in case, just as well as the electronic ignition unit packed up in the Blackwall Tunnel, he said it was easier to swap the whole plate than the EI back to points..... Think I will stay with the points.

[Cafeman]

I say save your money and spend it on any combination of plugs, points, condensers, oil, filters, tires, air filters, books on tuning, suspension setup, brakes, brighter halogen bulbs, you name it. The only reason to change out from points to overkill electronic ignition in most cases (aside from competition or the desire to extract the last molecule of power, or have something to brag about.....) is one is tired of having problems with their points giving crap running. And THAT is entirely because they suck at knowing how to adjust them, maintain them, and are just lazy and blame any problems on the points, when it is entirely the operator. Getting off ones duff, actually paying attention to what the hell one is doing, and/ or learning how to do something that has to be about the most basic and quick task. Of course if you fit an electronic ignition you still have to lubricate cables, chain. adjust the pushrods, all sorts of things periodically that are much more time consuming and in need of owner attention that will leave you stranded more times than trusty old points will........ electronic ignition? Bah!!