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#4040
Hello All

A few months ago I purchased a 2002 350 which I am generally very pleased with. It looks great, sounds good on its Hitchcocks free flowing ‘silencer’, and is light and easy to handle which makes a nice change from the generally bigger classics I run. As an experienced restorer and rider of British bikes I had no illusions about the expected performance, notwithstanding I was still disappointed by the effective 50mph cruising speed and approx. 60 mph top end. I therefore embarked on the well trodden path of trying to extract a little extra useable performance.

After trying larger main and pilot jets on the VM 24, and no air filter in the tea caddy, I could not really discern any noticeable increase in oomph. Following this I fitted the one tooth larger front sprocket which again did not really give much increase the top end figures.

I recently fitted a 26mm Mk1 Concentric with the following set-up: throttle slide 3.5, needle mid position, main jet 160, bell mouth with no filter, the pilot jet is a fixed bushing. Although it is early days and opportunities to test and fine tune have been limited recently due to the bad weather and other commitments, early results show some improvements in terms of feeling less strained in the 50-60mph region, and 70mph shown (the speedo seems fairly accurate when compared to those roadside speed signs) with what may have been a following wind and slight decline.

Overall I am disappointed with results; with a Concentric, no air filter, free- flowing silencer and 17t sprocket I would have hoped for maybe a genuine 75mph top end. What results have others achieved with a classic 350 and similar set up? Is a 160 main jet about right with this setup? What increments could be achieved if one goes down the high comp piston, performance cams, gas flowed head route?

At this stage I should say that although I am an experienced restorer and rider of classics of nearly every size and type, and have a great deal of mechanical sympathy and understanding, I am not shy of wringing the throttle on the Enfield and perhaps ride it harder than some would think wise. I am certain however that a well fettled 350 should be able to run up to 70mph with ease and cruise at 60 and not be restricted to sub 55 running. Of course I am not talking about riding down the M6 at 70mph for hours on end...
My gut feeling is that all of the above would in simple terms be better replaced with a 500 and some stage 1 tuning.

I must stress that my bike is apparently in very good condition and throughout all of the above changes has always been well set up and running well i.e. with each change has at all times has been an easy starter hot or cold, with a reliable slow tickover, clean pick up and no popping on the overrun etc. I haven’t had the engine apart however, and I do know that it has in the past had issues with nipping-up due to the ATD mechanism being prevented from advancing by the condenser having been pushed into the CB mounting plate. So it could be that the valves, piston or bore have been slightly damaged by this.

Thoughts and experiences from people who have been through a similar process gratefully received.
#38694
As you say Chris, you have no idea of the state of the internals of this engine. This seems to make it a bit unfair to criticise the performance. But be that as it may. A 350 Bullet is capable of around 15-17 bph in standard trim. And you won’t get much more with the add-ons you mention. My own 350 seemed happy at around 50-55 mph. The top end (!) wasn’t a lot more! As Norm says – ‘they are what they are’. The odd thing is that it was the slowest bike I’d ever owned (except my Suzuki 50 M15!) but on country roads the 350 could give more smiles per mile than any other! I’ve never understood why that was! (I admit to not reading every word of your long post Chris.)
#38695
Sorry Chris, but as a relatively happy owner of a 350 with amal carb, free-flowing exhaust etc., etc., I can only endorse what Norm and Presto have said..."they are, what they are" or in other words, you "can't squeeze a quart out of a pint pot"!
#38696
The 350 can be made a lot faster, without much outlay, especially compared with the 500. I own one of the ones you hear 'stories' about which can crack 80 mph, my Father's Redditch one will see 90 mph, the racer 114 mph. My machine is Indian built from the early nineties and has a Meteor Minor Sports piston in it, alloy barrel shortened by 2mm, inlet valve cutaway in the piston crown enlarged, 389 Monobloc, 230 main jet, 107 needle jet, the loud short 'silencer and 17t gearbox sprocket. In the real world it can cruise at 60-65 mph, 5 mph less 2 up and top 70 with relative ease, after that it is a case of crouch down, open the throttle wide and wait a short while for the top speed to show up. I don't have our host's slim stem competition valves in it yet, but next time the head is off [maybe some time yet], I will be fitting them, then I think it will rev higher - as it is restricted for revs by valve bounce as it currently is. Regards, Paul.
#38698
Thanks for that Paul, it seems that I might have got asfar as I can expect without some serious additional expense and down time. I am prepared to contemplate a flowed head, hi comp piston, high lift cams, lighter valve gear etc but I am know that I will never recoup the expense and the incremental gains are quite small in terms of bang per buck. I would be better advised to finish my Venom and get that on the road...

I do have one specific query from my post which I would like to address, which is the optimum Concentric set up, particularly main jet size, as currently the response seems fairly vague in terms of additional revs/ speed in the 3/4 to WOT region ie throttle position once into the 60 doesn't seem to make much difference. I haven’t had an opportunity to do a plug chop but after the last run the colour looked to be at the weak end of the spectrum. I've just changed the 160 for 170 and will see if that makes any discernible difference.
#38700
Paul, with all due respect (and I DO mean that!), what you’ve done to yours is hardly a job for ‘everyman’. The outlay in money may not be great (but must be around £500, if not more) but the workshop time and skilled input is great. You have years of experience and knowledge of these engines few others can equal. And all that to add another 10mph to cruising speed.
#38707
Hi Presto and thanks, but it needn't cost that much. Most of the 'raw materials' are already there. Porting the existing head and shortening a [preferably] alloy barrel can give a good boost on their own. It is up to the individual how far they want to take it. A 10 mph [conservative estimate, as above] increase might not sound like much, but it is very useful. What I don't like about the 350 Bullets 'as they come' is their inability to get away from 40 ton trucks which can get too close for comfort in an attempt to make you speed up for them, without their drivers realising you can't go any faster and the engine could tighten up in the blink of an eye. I was in that situation once on one of the last 350's before I tuned it and never again, I promise. Chris, as for the MK I Concentric, I don't have a high regard for them, but try 180 or 190 if need be for the main jet. Regards, Paul.
#38708
Not much help Chris, but I'd go for a 500 every time. My old Redditch 350 always made me feel vulnerable in traffic and had no top end. My Indian 500 engine feels completely different, more like a 'big bike' and requires much less gearbox use. It's standard with a 389 monoblock, bellmouth, freer pipe and pulls like a steamtrain compared to the old 350 and cruises at 60 all day.

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