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By John M
#37156
The piston does not seal the bore, it's the rings, top two are compression rings and the lowest is the oil ring. The damage to your piston will not be the cause of the loss of compression, light scores on the piston are not a big deal. I would examine the rings for damage if the bore looks OK.
If the fault is a sudden onset then there is likely to be some sort of failure that has caused it opposed to general wear and tear, such as broken rings or a partial seizure through lack of oil and / or overheating.
Before you spend too much you need to find the cause or you may damage your new parts. Low oil, timing way out, or fuel starvation and a weak mixture.
Being a tight arse I would just chuck in a new set of rings and see how things go. If you are a perfectionist you can measure the amount of wear in the bore by placing a piston ring at the top and then the bottom of the bore and measure the difference between the gap in each location.
I have an old Suzuki SP400 singe where cheap pistons are not available, I have chucked together the best combination of worn pistons and scored bores with a set of new rings and achieved an acceptable result.
Whatever you do, don't try and clean the piston up with emery paper as apparently the abrasive grit sticks to the soft piston and causes even bigger problems.
If you have loads of money burning a hole in your pocket then you could treat yourself to an alloy barrel rather than pay for a re-bore.
As for the side play then I would agree with the other posts that up and down movement is the important consideration, the con-rod wont move from side to side very much when the piston is inside the barrel, don't forget that the smallest amount of sideways movement at the big end is magnified by the time it reaches the little end. There has to be a small amount of movement at the big end or there wouldn't be room for the oil to get to the bearing surfaces.
By simon
#37158
I agree unless the piston looks like it might fall apart you can probably get away with a set of rings. What occurs to me though is that if your rings aren't broken then 45 psi ain't much and I'd be checking the valves while you've go the head off.
By Alan R
#37160
Hi MIKE--------Just a thought but}--- are you sure your compression gauge is operating OK ??.....So, what's that vibration like now ??----Better, worse, same, (long-shot this one -> Gone away ?? LoL !!)........What's the history of the machine ie}--- yours from new OR 50 "careful" owners ??----------- I'd tend to go along with JOHN and SIMON on this one......A piston operating normally within a bore should not have any score marks at all....the barell neither........sounds like yours has "nipped up" at some time ........
By Gwilly
#37166
Think a magnified examination and measurement of that piston is required.. Almost certainly its nipped up in the past and rather than rip the crown off it may have compressed the ring lands thus preventing the rings from moving with expansion..

To be blunt i would consign it to the shelf of horrors.. How come its not blowing oil mist from the case breather, that compression is going somewhere..

Look £150 notes gets a new barrel, piston, rings, pin and clips from our host, guaranteed fit or return.

No worrying whether the rebore man allows enough clearance for an air cooled motor.. something to think about next time you get it up to 60mph... gwilly
By Mike-T
#37174
Finally got the piston off and had a good look. There is a big crack in it! That explains why it has been miss-behaving lately. I'll post a pic if can figure out how.
By John M
#37181
When you say a big crack, do you mean the vertical slot in the skirt? If so they all have that, it should have a hole drilled at the end to prevent the split increasing.
By Mike-T
#37182
No not the vertical slot. This starts from the gudgeon-pin hole at about 45 degrees and is about 1 1/4 inches long. There are also two other minor cracks on the other side of the piston also starting from the gudgeon-pin hole, one about 1/4 inch, the other about 3/8. Properly broken.

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