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[roberto]

Tried your suggestion Les but to no avail,So used an old drill as a punch (upside down)to spread the washer inwardly then did the same from other direction ,hey presto !it worked ,hope you can follow this. bob.,

[Les H]

Well done Bob, I'm glad you got them out, and thanks for the feedback. It's surpising how soft they are if you managed to spread them enough to get a purchase on them from below. Your method will be of use to many others with the same problem I sure. ATB....Les