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By nellie
#580
i just wonderd is it possible to check ign timing on a Crusader, with perhaps a strobe light or some thing, on them lines ,it just would be nice to know you have it spot on ??????
By Les H
#13259
Hi You could quite easily put a white mark on the alternator rotor to correspond with another mark painted on the stator to correspond exactly with TDC then a second mark anticlockwise on the stator or clockwise on the rotor set at the full advance ignition. Set the TDC position with the positive stop piston method or use a dial gauge. Either set the full advance mark by using a protractor, a small timing disc or the dial gauge, depending whgat data and kit you have. You will then be able to use a strobe fired/triggered from the plug lead to check ignition timing and the action of the auto advance and retard unit.
By Les H
#13264
Hi. Here is another way to set the mark on the rotor without the need for a degree disc or dial gauge but you will still need to find TDC accurately. First paint the rotor mark and corresponding TDC reference mark on the stator. Measure the Diameter of the rotor and obtain the full advance timing figure (T). Then using the following formula: (Pi x D) / (360 / T).....you can calculate the full advance position for the rotor mark.....So for example. Rotor Diam = 75mm Timing = 36 BTDC....(3.142 x 75) = (236) divide by (360 / 36) = (10)....giving: 236/10 = 23.6 mm. So the Timing mark is approx 27mm clockwise (For the Crusader which has a RH mounted alternator) around the outer edge circumference on the rotor from the TDC mark you already painted. Note you will have to measure your rotor and use the correct ignition timing.
By Les H
#13266
OOOPS...correction: Should read:..... "= 23.6 mm. So the Timing mark is approx 24 mm clockwise etc etc."
By Howzie
#13277
Hello Les H,

Good stuff about using the strobe, what would be the best RPM to start with, tickover speed for the 5 degrees, but what speed to check the advanced unit (1500 - 2000 rpm)

Cheers
By Les H
#13281
Hi Howzie. The Auto advance unit (AAU) will advance the timing by about 20-25 degrees. The figure is usually stamped on the back of the rear plate of the unit and is shown as the actual points-cam movement in degrees (10 or 12 degrees) so you double the number to get the actual crankshaft advance figure. What really only matters is the timing at full advance and with a mechanical device it usually at around 2000-3000 rpm but the exact figure depends on the strength of the springs fitted. If the AAU is the original type that is correct for the engine, it will be provide the correct timing at the correct rev range. So all you have to do is check with the strobe that when you rev the engine the full advance position shown by the strobe marks is just reached and increasing the revs higher must not produce any further advance in the timing. What ever the revs are when this occurs will be set by the AAU and as long as the timing mark appears to lock out at the correct position, everything will be correct at lower revs. Of course the springs could be very weak, and the max advance will occur at lower revs, but what is more important is that the maximum advance timing will not be exceeded no matter what higher revs you go to as the bob weights simply come to the end of their movement range and cannot move any further. Slight variation of the advance range at lower revs can only be dome by comparison to a known perfect/new AAU. Rest assured though that the springs are never stretched that much in use and the amount of weakening over a life time is very small. New and stronger springs are available should you wish to renew them.
By Les H
#13283
So summing up, don't worry about the actual revs just increase the revs slowly untill the image of the timing marks lit by the stobe coincide. If the ignition is correct, any further increase in revs will leave the marks still lined up. If that does not happen, adjust the timing untill it does.
By Howzie
#13285
Thanks Les H,

Just so happens that I was given a strobe, bit on the old side perhaps, timing for my 250 cc Clipper is 1/64 or 5 degrees BTDC & 7/16 or 30 degrees BTDC. I will transfer these marks to the stator & rotor then give it a go.

Cheers
By Roy
#13300
I use a very old depth gauge to set the timing on my Crusader through the plug hole and have never had any trouble with the accuracy of the timing. I find this a very easy method and used it also to set the timing on my DKW car.

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