- Sun Apr 08, 2012 1:05 pm
#11268
Simon, you're a star. Given that this is a public forum, it may be better if I email my address to you. My email is [email protected]. Allan.
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- Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:15 pm
#11485
This is a never ending question. This gearbox will not go into neutral from a standstil.
Spend your money and adjust all you want, nothing will change.
Spend your money and adjust all you want, nothing will change.
- Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:30 am
#11507
It's known as the Albion jab. I can get it into neutral with a swift kick from first but you're right in that the detente is very subtle and clearly they didn't add the neutral finder for any other reason than it was very hard to find neutral any other way. Clutch clearance though is a major issue as before I got the clutch actually clearing i couldn't even get it to change gear in any direction if i wasn't starting from neutral. Any drag and the box becomes a total pig. My old 51 bullet which has the odd but highly effective three start thread clutch actuator made me realize that this isn't a box design fault but a clutch issue.
- Thu Apr 12, 2012 3:15 am
#11508
I discovered something else on a remake of the original version as posted above. The issue wasn't with the cover being pulled down but with the length of the set screw I used to hold the neutral stop and secure the centre of the cover. I was only worried that it was long enough but of course it screwed itself into the path of the selector arm. My new version is a bit sexier with a countersunk cap screw holding the plug in place (I'll change that for a cheese head screw as soon as I can get a slotting saw to cut the milling). The fun you can have with a lathe I'm surprised they're legal!
The sizes for anyone interested is 20mm bar 18mm long (up to 20mm max) one 1/4" clearance hole (6.5mm) and one hole to tap to 1/4 BSW (5mm)drilled 1/2" (12.7mm) apart. you then need to cut off a chunk of the threaded side in order to clear the selector arm. I did this with the four jaw chuck on the lathe but a hacksaw will work just as well. you then need two new 1/4 bsw set screws or bolts long enough to secure the lump to the gear box as shown in the pics above and one long enough to go through the neutral finder stop, the gearbox cover (the thread in which you drill out with the 6.5mm drill and into but not through the new part at which point Bob will be your uncle and Fanny your aunt! As I said above this reduced the flex to a relatively insignificant .005".
Sorry for the confusing swapping of metric and Imperial sizes but this is a metric country so one has to adapt.
S:)
The sizes for anyone interested is 20mm bar 18mm long (up to 20mm max) one 1/4" clearance hole (6.5mm) and one hole to tap to 1/4 BSW (5mm)drilled 1/2" (12.7mm) apart. you then need to cut off a chunk of the threaded side in order to clear the selector arm. I did this with the four jaw chuck on the lathe but a hacksaw will work just as well. you then need two new 1/4 bsw set screws or bolts long enough to secure the lump to the gear box as shown in the pics above and one long enough to go through the neutral finder stop, the gearbox cover (the thread in which you drill out with the 6.5mm drill and into but not through the new part at which point Bob will be your uncle and Fanny your aunt! As I said above this reduced the flex to a relatively insignificant .005".
Sorry for the confusing swapping of metric and Imperial sizes but this is a metric country so one has to adapt.
S:)
- Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:58 am
#11509
John J
Well mine does John.
With minor expense and careful adjustment.
It does not "clunk" when selecting first from neutral either (unlike the majority of "modern" bikes.
Well mine does John.
With minor expense and careful adjustment.
It does not "clunk" when selecting first from neutral either (unlike the majority of "modern" bikes.
Classic C5 Euro 4 at the moment.
Also CBf250.
Also CBf250.
- Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:50 pm
#11518
Peter, I agree but it's not a given that you will be able to go into neutral after a long ride from a standstill,
My gearbox does not "snick" into first gear but I always select neutral while on the move and I have removed the neutral selector, which says every thing.
My gearbox does not "snick" into first gear but I always select neutral while on the move and I have removed the neutral selector, which says every thing.
- Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:17 pm
#11520
John J... The albion gearbox, is a very old design, and its "little" ticks are all part of the fun of having a clssic enfield... the clutch etc can be sorted. to make gearing changing acceptable while on the move or stopped.. if it could not, there would no enfields on the road..
The is no way a 50 plus year old design match that on a modern bike jap or other...
Simon has come up with a way of "helping to reduce the flex in the gearbox cover", at very little cost, it seems that it can be done by hand, or in a lathe.
( Power to to Simon", for designing a fix, and passing it on)
This will help to reduce the loss of movement, of the clutch rod. but even if the gearbox cover was replaced, it would still be a albion box, with its "little tricks to keep us on our toes..
An enfeild classic is not something to taken out of the box, with a garentee, that all will work, every time, for life.
Its more like living with some one, a bit of give and take, and sorting things out....... or just go for a devoice ( spelling ??) and buy a modern clone, that does everything first time, just as its says on the box,,,,, me I will stick to my, old '89 classic, and its wonderfuld albion gearbox.
Martin
The is no way a 50 plus year old design match that on a modern bike jap or other...
Simon has come up with a way of "helping to reduce the flex in the gearbox cover", at very little cost, it seems that it can be done by hand, or in a lathe.
( Power to to Simon", for designing a fix, and passing it on)
This will help to reduce the loss of movement, of the clutch rod. but even if the gearbox cover was replaced, it would still be a albion box, with its "little tricks to keep us on our toes..
An enfeild classic is not something to taken out of the box, with a garentee, that all will work, every time, for life.
Its more like living with some one, a bit of give and take, and sorting things out....... or just go for a devoice ( spelling ??) and buy a modern clone, that does everything first time, just as its says on the box,,,,, me I will stick to my, old '89 classic, and its wonderfuld albion gearbox.
Martin
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