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By Rattlebattle
#52149
The trouble with this issue is that it is very hard to get the true facts in the UK, particularly about which fuels contain ethanol because unlike in France, for example, it doesn't state E10 on the fuel pumps. I recall one of many articles in the VMCC journal saying that whether or not fuel in the UK contains ethanol depends on where it is refined, not the brand or octane rating and I have definitely read somewhere that Shell may contain it. Also that 10% ethanol equates to a 7%!weaker mixture. What the truth is I don't know but I do know that I've not yet had any bother with my old Triumph not have my friends here with their old bikes but my brother who lives in Cumbria has. Why on earth they can't just label the pumps I don't know. At least then we could all find out what effect it has....

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By Scalyback
#52155
Which brings us back to the top of the article, with the DIY ethanol tester. Use regularly on your local area fuel supplies.
By Rattlebattle
#52240
Missing the point really though, which is that one shouldn't have to resort to amateur chemistry simply to find out what is in the fuel one has purchased. It should be clearly specified on the pump just as it is in France and other European countries. One wouldn't accept pumps not specifying whether it dispensed petrol or diesel and I don't see why we should not have the same information (and warnings about suitability for use in older engines) that they have in other countries. Anyway, who is to say that because one batch of fuel does or doesn't contain ethanol the next one will be the same?
By Reg
#52371
Surely you'd want to do the ethanol test before you fill your tank. I can't see my local filling station being that accommodating.
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By Scalyback
#52372

Its the same problem of not enough people complaining. In france and other countries, people take action, but here it all seems more complacent.



our government roll in any new law they please with little or no objection. In France, they stopped giving out plastic shopping bags years ago, you can take your own or get a bag for life type thing out there. The supermarkets sorted it out themselves. Over here it was seen as yet another way to fine or make money. 5p a bag by law or a fine of £5000. So now we have another enforcement agency going around supermarkets, checking if the bags are being paid for and as usual, the tax payers are footing the bill both for the bags and for the enforcement of a law that should never have been made. Is this all they do in Westminster nowadays? debate how much fine they can rake in for a store not charging 5P for a bag? No wonder the government seem to have no money.

Let's not even go near the 'wealth and safety' farce, which most companies can't afford anyway.



like 'always on' headlamps for new bikes. nobody got consulted whether it was a good idea or if there might be safety disadvantages, no it was just slipped into being as of next jan.



like the devious LA being able to fine you for not having insurance when they have absolutely nothing to do with insurance anyway. they don't provide it, they don't back you up if there is a problem, but they can send out a fine if you forget to renew on time, say on a bike that you do not use very often.



Historic vehicle tax. they said about cutting down on the red tape, so why not mark a vehicle's record as historic and leave it at that? because they don't make any money that way (It's all about the money nowadays). Instead I have to remember to pay then nothing to get nothing in return which has a tax rate of nothing. BUT, if I forget, then I get a big fine for not taxing or declaring SORN. This is why we have to go through this nonsense, so they can catch a percentage out each year and giggle at the profits.

Public servants??? we are the slaves now!


It don't happen in france or the USA, they burn things or block the streets and cities until the people get the result that they want. seems to work well.

oops, got carried away a bit.
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By Les
#52390
Just read my MAG news letter looks like they are trying for 10% ethanol by 2020
By ric
#52396
E10 fuel requires an AFR of 14:1. The current ECU map keeps it trimmed at 14.7:1 - although ideally for E5 it should be trimmed @ 14.4:1
If we run E10 without a factory remap things will be far from ideal :(

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