This Forum is now CLOSED use the link to get more details viewtopic.php?f=3&t=13924#p102587
By nigelphoto
#59287
I am totally in agreement with papasmurf - ABS on a bike is seriously concerning. I rode a BMW with it a few months ago and had a couple of goes to 'provok'e it. Not an experience I want to repeat, the human brain is there to control such functions as braking (on some people, anyway!). The Police are teaching trailing the rear brake through corners to steady the bike in road riding courses (did the course in 2014). How does that work on an ABS coupled braking system??
User avatar
By Les
#59289
I Have ABS on my Kawasaki the rear brake works independently and you can use the brakes just as you please, for normal riding you do not know its there, if you was to get really caught out and just pile all the brakes on epically in the wet it does prevent skidding, if there was an option for it when I bought my Bullet I would have taken it, I personally have had no issues with it, in all the tests I have seen even the most experienced of riders are hard pressed to equal it in breaking tests
By apparently lucky eddie
#59295
There is a pretty obvious answer to this little conundrum. Instead of buying a new modern bike and pretending it's really old fashioned, why not just buy either and old bike that actually is old or a slightly older one that does n't have all the over-rated and over-weighted modern gubbins on it. Modern RE's bear little resemblence to the genuine old article so don't kid yourself they do, just go and get the 'real' thing and give it a go. I suspect a lot of guys here will enjoy the experience. I for one will never ever buy another modern bike, old ones are way too much fun, ridiculously easy to diagnose and repair and just as quick (or slow) as modern RE's.
By Rattlebattle
#59307
Scalyback, I have owned many bikes with ABS, starting with a couple of K series Beemers in 1998. The simple answer is that if you use the brakes properly and in accordance with the prevailing conditions it is unlikely, with a caveat, that the ABS will activate. ABS does not prevent trail braking - the police do this on their ABS equipped Beemers - it should not be confused with linked brakes where the rear cannot be used without activating the front one (think Honda combined brakes or Moto-Guzzi). Whilst it is true that in the days of ABS 1 on the K series Beemers a good rider could outbrake an ABS machine, at least in the dry, the sophisticated systems fitted by the Japs et al on super bikes cannot be bettered. It's all down to how fast the processor works. ABS 1 was slow and clunky; ABS 2 on the oilheads needed a good battery or the fault light was forever coming on. ABS I was the infamous BMW servo braking system - great while it worked, dangerous when it went into residual braking mode and horrendously expensive when the servo packed up ( when, not if). The ABS on my BMW F800GT cut in too early and then rolled on a little - weird and dangerous in my view. That on my 700 Deauville was just there; it never activated. That had linked brakes but the rear was independent - a good system. The ABS on my Triumph Sprint never activated in my ownership - I only knew it worked by deliberately provoking it. It all boils down to how well it's done. It complicates bleeding brakes, though you still can. I shudder to think what RE would do with it if their EFI is anything to go by. The drum brake would either have to be replaced by a disc or - less likely- become hydraulically operated. There's a good article in MCS & L on Euro IV this month. Apparently some of the Chinese makes won't bother with Europe because of it - maybe RE will take the same view, although this is unlikely following the establishment
Of the R&D place in England. Hope this helps.
By ChrisD
#59318
Hi all. The ABS on my BMW F650 activates ONLY if I brake hard using the rear brake to get out of a bad situation, usually of my own doing. I've never discovered (nor wanted to) if the front ABS is working as I've never been so stupid to pull that hard on the front brake lever. Under normal use, I do not feel ABS or need it.
My Bullet brakes, especially the TLS, are quite good but again I've never had to use all its power and I've never felt I needed ABS there either.
For probably 99% of all riders, they'll never really need it - I think it is a boondoggle!
ChrisD
By papasmurf
#59325
My last near to death experience om my Electra X(ish), did not involve me using the brakes at all, I had to take right left flick footrest scraping avoiding action, braking would have been of no use at all.
By jefrs
#59360
Having used Anti-lock (ABS) brakes in the cars to donkey's years, having the ability to stop more quickly in a controlled manner is a real benefit. However I consider having permanently linked brakes on a motorbike to be positively dangerous, what idiot dreamt this up... As mentioned before the rear is needed to control cornering by feathering and to 'trail' on poor surfaces. Although the front can be applied in conjunction with the rear, the back brake needs the ability to be applied independently. I do not consider this to be an advanced technique but one every rider should be aware of and make use of.
By jefrs
#59361
predicative spelling typo, "... for donkey's years."
By Rattlebattle
#59366
There is a difference between linked brakes and ABS brakes. AFAIK nobody is saying that the former are to become compulsory. I have owned bikes that had linked brakes but no ABS (Moto Guzzi). In this case the brake pedal operated the rear disc and one of the front ones. I didn't like that system because you couldn't use the rear brake without the front. A lot of owners de-linked them. I've owned several bikes with ordinary ABS (which I believe EuroIV means, but who knows?) No problem with this sort as the rear and front are used independently. As I said before, if you know how to brake properly they should never activate the ABS). The third sort was on a Honda Deauville 700. This had ABS and linked brakes - can't remember the acronym now - but the front lever applied a fixed percentage (20%?) to the rear brake as well, but the rear could be used independently from the pedal. A nice non-intrusive system that worked well and still allowed trail braking etc. For me the key issue is whether or not you can use either brake independently as, if not, it removes a useful tool from the skills box.

Shop for accessories at Hitchcocks Motorcycles