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By binary
#72026
Yes the youtube video does start about half way through. I do not know why and I still can not get the video's to play on this forum. All I get is a line of goobly gook that is only a link to a youtube. To watch the video you can click on the start of the red line and it will open at the start. Perhaps pappasmurf can load it properly for us. Thanks from binary.
By Rattlebattle
#72027
An Interceptor for "fast touring"; really? Depends on one's definition of fast.....Does it have a balance shaft or not. I can't see one in the photos of engine bits and anyway it negates the purpose of having a 270 degree crank if you then add a power sapping balancer. About as useful as a slipper clutch on a mid forties bhp bike in my opinion..
By papasmurf
#72028
Rattlebattle, if you look at my posting about the cam chain there appeares to be a counterbalancing shaft in that picture.
By still lucky eddie
#72035
We Royal Oilfield afficionados should be grateful that we aren't being offered one of those hideously ugly, jaggy angled, wannabe a stealth bomber type machines. These new machines at least look like 'proper' motorcycles, not kids transformer toys. Give it a couple of years for any issues to be ironed out and I may well be persuaded a cafe racer would be nice. IF -and it's a big if - the price is sensible.
By Rattlebattle
#72042
Ah yes; I was looking at the crankshaft etc picture (where I would have thought it would be included). If it has a balance shaft it would be better as a 360 degree twin in my opinion. I
By Rattlebattle
#72366
"Should be here"; I bet they won't if the Himalayan is anything to go by. A sub- £6000 price should result in a lot of sales if they can deliver enough bikes. I'll have a look at them on Thursday. Can wait....
By Happy Hopper
#72400
I think it looks good for the price, just wondered what accessories would People want?

I would like to see Tank Kneepads, Fork rubber covers (Gaiters), Rear Carrier (Luggage Rack), Stainless Parts, and Braided Brake lines.

Maybe a better seat?
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By Presto
#72423
The 270 degree crank for the new twin 650 seems a wise choice and the configuration of the Enfield engine crank and balance shaft seems directly derived from the successful Yamaha twin. The 270° crank is a fairly recent development of the straight-twin engine, which imitates the sound and feel of a 90° V-twin, but requires a balance shaft to reduce vibration. Effectively, the 270° crank is a compromise which allows a more regular firing pattern than a 180° crank and less vibration than a 360° crank. As with a 90° V-twin, the pistons in a 270° inline twin engine are never both stationary at the same time, thereby reducing the net momentum exchange between the crank and pistons during a full rotation. The oscillating momentum manifests itself as an oscillating crank rotation speed, which, when paired with a driven-wheel rotating at the more steady road speed, will introduce an oscillating torque in the drivetrain and at the tyre contact patch.



Examples of 270° parallel-twin motorcycles in production in 2014 include the Donnington Norton Commando, Triumph Thunderbird, Honda CTX700, and Triumph Scrambler.



A feature of the 270° parallel twin is that it provides most of the benefits of the popular V-twin layout, along with further advantages: it is simpler and cheaper both to produce and to maintain than a V-twin; it needs only a single cylinder block and head; induction, exhaust and cooling are simpler; the engine is lighter and has better potential for an optimum CG position; battery location is easier; rear suspension design is simpler; and it allows a shorter wheelbase for sharper handling.



Yamaha devoted much time and effort to the “quality” of the torque produced by the 270 degree engine. While analysing the power and torque produced by the combustion inside the chamber, a theory emerged: maybe the unevenness in the torque curve is created by the forces acting on the two moving pistons when converting the power created by combustion into drive force.



This led the team to altering the angle of the two connecting rods where they couple to the crank, and the prototype engine they produced smoothed the torque curve. While doing prototype test rides in the Algerian desert, the engine’s uneven firing interval (combustion) resulted in a machine that was easier to ride. The torque characteristics were very similar to those of a 90° V-twin, but the new engine was shorter in length, allowing for more chassis design freedom. This in-line 2-cylinder engine configuration represented an innovation.



Norton Motorsports' earlier prototypes had 360-degree crankshafts, like the original Commando. "We were aiming to retain the classic Commando sound," says R&D; chief Paul Gaudio, "but even with a counter-balancer, vibration was too intense. That's why we switched to a 270-degree crank."



With grateful acknowledgments to Wikipedia and other on-line sources (I didn’t make this stuff up myself!)
By Rattlebattle
#72431
Well I prefer the characteristics of the 360 degree crank. The advantage of the 270 degree crank is negated when the 360 degree crank has balance shafts to cancel out the primary vibration and if the 270 degree crank still needs balance shafts, as I understand the RE 650 does I can’t see the point. TTP, purveyors of tuning maps and other goodies for the 865cc Triumphs get more power from the 360 degree crank Bonnevilles and Thruxtons than they do the 270 degree Scramblers and Americas. The 270 degree Triumphs have balance shafts too.
By Smudger
#72433
Mmm, been to the show and I think I'll stick with my 535 CGT!
The new offerings just don't float my boat at all!
if I have a spare 6k at any point, I will be buying something else and keeping the 535 for those back lanes. 47bhp and poor build quality from a 650 twin just doesn't cut it I'm afraid.
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