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[Rattlebattle]

Whilst I used to change tubed type tyres at home I have no chance of successfully removing a tubeless type. These have much stiffer sidewalls. I have neither the strength, technique, nor kit. A puncture out on the road means Tyreweld or similar. If that fails then it's recovery. FWIW my Triumph Thruxton has the same issue. Several of our American chums on the Triumph forum I use have successfully sealed the spoke holes so that they can use their tubeless tyres on spoked rims without inner tubes. I don't fancy that approach myself but it does work, apparently. I have noticed that on the Thruxton at least the temperature of the tyres after a run seems higher than it would be on tubeless tyres without tubes. Not scientific, but it does seem to be the case. Now that the patent has presumably expired, it surprises me that the BMW system is not more widely used. The spokes screw into the outer edges of the rim, meaning that tubeless tyres are fitted without tubes on spoked wheels and that individual spokes can be changed without disturbing the tyre. A good system.

[Edward]

Removing and refitting tyres is a simple skill easily learned. The recovery option is all very well until you find yourself in an area with no mobile phone signal.

[Beezabryan]

I used to be quite good at roadside repairs, fortunately not occurred for some years now

BTW the stuff piled up on the rack & on top of the box was being carried for a couple of friends

[AndyMc]

Hi all, Lots of Andys in this post, hope it doesn't get confusing. Edward, perhaps you could post a vid of the easy way to remove tubeless tyres at the roadside it would be very useful to us all.

[Rattlebattle]

Good idea. I've never managed it even in the garage. Maybe that's because I had deep flange Akronts? The rim on my C5 is quite shallow, so it looks as if the tyres would come off more easily. Personally I just wish they'd still make tube tyres.....

[Revband]

"Personally I just wish they'd still make tubed tyres". They do?.

[Rattlebattle]

Yes, I know. I should have made it clear that I meant modern, high grip and tread pattern tyres like the Avon Roadriders, not Avon Skidmaster "classic" tyres and the like. AFAIK you can't get tube only Roadriders. They are sold as suitable for both but as such have the stiff sidewalls of a tubed tyre. Brilliant tyres though.

[Edward]

Hi Andy, sadly I am better at tyres than posting videos. I am sure that You Tube has videos. I have removed tubeless tyres by the road side just using short BMW levers on my BMW. It really is not a case of an easy way just the right way and the same as tubed tyres. They require a deal of pressure to seat them on the rim on my bike but a tip I may offer is to use a compressed air canister to seat the tyre, the trick is to remove the valve so there is a very rapid influx of air. You will of course need a couple more canisters to inflate the tyre once the valve is reinserted. I might also add the last time I did this was during a thunderstorm on the remote Coal Road just north of Dent Station. This occasion is what prompted my post about not having a phone signal. I would have phoned recovery on that occasion because of the weather but there was no signal and I was forced to set to. This all refers to a tubeless tyre but fitted with an inner tube. The valve out tip is also useful if you have access to a compressor.

[Andy M]

We do indeed have the F650 problem:(

Any puncture and its gloop and limp home. Utter **** and typical of weekend warrior design philosophies on current bikes.

Solutions look to be

1. If a 100/90-19 will fit under the front mudguard tyre choice then includes TT tyres. I have a Heidenau K60 (brilliant tyres with an M&S rating) which I will try for size when I've got it out of the loft.

2. Tubeliss. These are on e-bay UK at 20 quid a pop. They cause tyres to run hot, but these are mostly Californians too lazy to pump up when they come off sand, 100 mph rated tyres run at 60 I think is worth a pop. Needs a hole drilled in the rim which worries me on Enfield paint. Do our hosts sell touch up? They also require the rim to be straight enough to seal when the HP tube pushes the bead up to it. If the PITA Avons have to come off with the hacksaw its an expensive experiment.

3. Heavy duty tubes.

Bathroom sealant etc. is not going to happen and I aren't getting into the piles of self assembly laser cut bits of metal that claim to produce roadside bead breakers, I've seen plenty at off road demos working on warm, lubed tyres that get taken off four times a day, but when used in anger they fail.

Andy

[neddy]

40YRS riding, 4+ flats , only repair if you have to, if you can be moved in 4hrs, do not bother with "any type of tyre/inner tube repair