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Engine noise I.D required - link to video

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:07 am
by grindstaff
It should be pointed out that the mic on my phone is not the best and the noise is a little exaggerated.
First I thought it was piston slap but if anything the engine is quieter when it's cold and noisier when it's warm.
Then I thought it was the rockers but upon inspection there was no discernible play other than fractional longitudinal play.
As you can see there's a bit of smoke but not a huge amount, but then there's not much coming out of the engine breather pipe(gentle little breaths) which perhaps suggests worn piston after all.
Bike has about 25,000 miles on it and is new to me, runs and idles fine, has enough compression that it requires use of the decompression lever to nudge ut past TDC.
Hitchcocks seem to suggest that aluminium barreled bikes are a bit noisier but it seems excessive.
At this stage I'm leaning towards new cylinder and piston (I'd get it rebored but no-one in London seems interested / capable,) but could the noise be valves in their guides?
I've put a screwdriver to the barrel and 'listened to the handle'and the noise is definitely less noticeable there than when placed on the rocker covers/ oil feed banjo bolts.

I've been riding bikes since 1981 but mostly Japs. Any constructive comments are welcome.

Here's a link to the video:

https://youtu.be/vfydam_JKBU

Engine noise I.D required - link to video

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:31 am
by papasmurf
Does the noise stop when you pull the clutch in?


Engine noise I.D required - link to video

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:37 am
by grindstaff
Hmmm, I don't think it does stop when the clutch is disengaged. When riding it the noise is constant; in gear or in neutral. Thanks for the reply though.

Engine noise I.D required - link to video

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:56 am
by vince
Hi, possibly a very slack primary chain. Vince

Engine noise I.D required - link to video

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:00 pm
by grindstaff
Primary chain has about 1/4" - 1/2" at the top middle of its run. Thanks for the suggestion though.

Engine noise I.D required - link to video

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:13 pm
by grindstaff
Primary chain has about 1/4" - 1/2" at the top middle of its run. Thanks for the suggestion though.

Engine noise I.D required - link to video

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:40 pm
by Bullet Whisperer
Timing gear [cams] backlash makes that sort of sound and can be totally absent on a cold engine, but appearing quite suddenly and loudly once the engine becomes hot.

Engine noise I.D required - link to video

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:20 pm
by grindstaff
Thanks B.W, that's another avenue I can look into.

Engine noise I.D required - link to video

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:47 pm
by vince
Hi, loose alternator rotor?

Engine noise I.D required - link to video

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:36 pm
by grindstaff
Now that I have NOT checked! I would've thought it'd be discernable lower down - the lower part of the engine seems quiet - it's all up top that's noisy. I thought it might be small end :(