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Stupid questions time: brass bushing

Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 3:37 pm
by NicoV
In the gearbox there is a brass bushing. Why is it brass ? I thought brass was a weak metal that easily wears out.....

Stupid questions time: brass bushing

Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 3:42 pm
by Dennis C
Brass work hardens and is far tougher than people think, however it is more likely to be phosphor bronze.

Stupid questions time: brass bushing

Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 4:06 pm
by PeteF
Bronze makes a very good bearing surface for the steel shaft that runs in it. Eventually it will wear and be replaced but the shaft will not so you just replace the cheap bit. This is the same theory as white metal bearings and old babbit bearings. The bearing surface is made of softer metal so it wears rather than the shaft. Of course, this only works if everything is kept lubricated.
Interestingly, it's the same theory as making gearwheel teeth in windmills out of timber. They are the bits that wear out (or break) but are easily and cheaply replaced and by relatively unskilled workers.

Stupid questions time: brass bushing

Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 10:21 am
by neddy
Brass can be better than Phosphur bronze in some circumstances as bearing material

Stupid questions time: brass bushing

Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 8:14 pm
by jefrs
Having had to hacksaw through a 3-in bar of naval brass (which is technically bronze) I can assure you that brass (or bronze) is a very hard material. Brass is copper/zinc, bronze is copper/tin, naval brass is copper/tin/zinc with a little lead; phosphor-bronze obviously includes phosphorous, both lead and phosphorous in the alloys can act as self-lubricant.

Regarding white metal bearings, these are usually fabricated with hard and soft material so that the softer metal gouges out to provide 'natural' oil-ways, and the bearing deforms to provide a perfect fit to the shaft; so there is some method to the old madness.

Stupid questions time: brass bushing

Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 8:58 pm
by p
My experience of old engines was that, so long as they didn't run short of oil, the crank pins wore more than the white metal bearings; my understanding at the time was that microscopic abrasive contaminants would embed themselves in the softer material whilst abrading the harder one. Certainly in memory, unless a bearing "ran", there was little gain in renewing shells (or re-metalling bearings) without attention to the crankshaft.
Sorry, not really relevant to the op's question about yellow metal bushes!

Stupid questions time: brass bushing

Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 10:48 am
by nickbarber
A bronze bush is used with a steel shaft. It is obviously softer so it does not mark/wear out the steel, rather it does the opposite. so if/when the bronze bush is worn, it is cheap to replace, instead of the expensive steel shaft ie, crankshaft, camshaft, etc etc

Stupid questions time: brass bushing

Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 11:31 am
by papasmurf
Look what happened to Fred Dibnah's traction engine front wheel bearings that he made from "some unknown stuff from the breaker's yard".
Brass is no good as a bearing.



Stupid questions time: brass bushing

Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 11:41 am
by NicoV
Thanks to everyone for the replies. Very interesting to read. I really didn't know :)