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Thank you to everyone (sudden engine stoppage)

Posted: Sun May 24, 2020 3:53 am
by montytheangry
I appreciate everyone's help and you have my most sincere thanks. I utilized my multi meter. I hate electronics! Watched some Indian videos, didn't understand 10% of what they were saying, but pictures I can see. Anyway, I checked all possible connections. The roll over sensor is fine, but it was loose. It wasn't a factor in the stoppage. Some suggested the side stand sensor. That was removed when I first bought the bike. The coil was suggested, that was checked, spark occurred when the engine shut down unexpectedly. I then reverted back to what my dealer suggested, the fuel pump. I thought this was odd that he would know that, makes me very suspicious. The bike ran great for 500 miles, then started acting up. I do not posses a fuel pressure gauge, though I fully believe that when the bike died it was during high speed runs, a whooping 110 kph. So, I ultimately suspect that although the fuel pump would sound when it was pressurizing the system, it was failing to keep up with the fuel demand across the spectrum as it never gave me a fit at lower speeds.

So with all of that said, I am going to revert my bike back as far as I can mechanically by installing a Hitchcock Carburetor Conversion. I know some may disagree, but know I am "gun shy", built like a gun pun intended. I do not want to have to rely on computer software, the expense and trouble of diagnostics, the cost and wait in replacing sensors to get in the way of riding. I had a 1969 MGC when I was in the Army, loved that car, I could tune it with a screw driver and a hammer. The hammer was for when the carburetors would not do as I said! I prefer the simplicity of the old systems. Having worked on combat helicopters, I know all to well how a $1 part can stop a multi-million dollar machine.

Thank you again, to Mr. Diawiskers and all of the rest who so graciously assisted me in trying to figure this all out. I will let you know how the swap goes, how much blood was offered in sacrifice and how many choice words were used in the conversion process.

Tony
aka montytheangry, a nickname, derived from my last name Montague. British Royalty I know. The angry part came from trying to teach kids how to fix complex flying death machines when they came out of school not even knowing what a flat tip screwdriver was!

Re: Thank you to everyone (sudden engine stoppage)

Posted: Sun May 24, 2020 7:41 am
by Daiwiskers
Hi Tony

Thanks for the thank's (that don't read right)

I know what you're saying about the carb conversion, in my book the less electronics the better.

Good luck with it Dai

Re: Thank you to everyone (sudden engine stoppage)

Posted: Sun May 24, 2020 8:19 am
by Rattlebattle
Good luck; the carb conversion worked well for me. I would advise you to turn off the fuel supply as you near home or anywhere where the bike might be stored for a while and let the float bowl run dry. That way you won't suffer from jets, float needles etc getting bunged up because of the ethanol in the fuel. It's amazing how long the engine will run on a float bowl full of fuel. You'll have a reserve supply too so it won't matter when the fuel level sender starts playing up...
I hope it works well for you but if you have any issues fitting the conversion just ask. BTW there is a big "rubber" ring to seal the plate on which the pump etc sits in the tank. This plate is replaced by a simpler one that has a thread d hole for the fuel tap. In my experience you don't need to replace this large o ring. I still have the original on mine. I converted to the carb, went back to EFI to see if it was better now (hope over common sense), put the carb back on and it has never leaked. Just keep the EFI in case the emissions fascists make it illegal to modify. No need to drain all the fuel to change the plate. Put the tank on its side with the plate in the upper half, whip it off replace with new plate and the job's a good 'un. Good luck.

Re: Thank you to everyone (sudden engine stoppage)

Posted: Sun May 24, 2020 10:04 am
by Haggis
I am sure you will love the carb once it's on.
I have a mk1 Amal on one of my bikes and it's given me no trouble whatsoever.
It would annoy me not finding what the original problem was though, but that's just me.
Keep a up to date with your mod. 🔧🔧🔧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

Re: Thank you to everyone (sudden engine stoppage)

Posted: Sun May 24, 2020 10:36 am
by Wheaters
I hope it's not an ignition problem..... ;)

Re: Thank you to everyone (sudden engine stoppage)

Posted: Sun May 24, 2020 1:28 pm
by Adrian
aka montytheangry, a nickname, derived from my last name Montague. British Royalty I know.
I think some of your relatives are living just down the road from me.

A.

Re: Thank you to everyone (sudden engine stoppage)

Posted: Sun May 24, 2020 4:45 pm
by montytheangry
How small this World is. I would love to travel to the U.K., but I don't want to be held for high treason against the crown! Not sure what the statute of limitations is on something like that. On the other side of my family, direct descendant, they signed the Declaration of Independence. So is that is like a double whammy?

Tony

Re: Thank you to everyone (sudden engine stoppage)

Posted: Mon May 25, 2020 10:33 am
by Adrian
I doubt if the current House of Windsor has any particular grudges (unless the Harry & Megan thing still ruffles the royal feathers), so I'm sure you'd get through border controls happily enough once general travel resumes. 1776 was a long time ago.

Your links to this lot might be worth investigating if you haven't already done so. The motor museum is worth a visit, you could just about do that and Sammy Miller's in a day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baron_Montagu_of_Beaulieu

A.